Thread:Corbierr/@comment-25576856-20150221010401/@comment-4816103-20150227223901

But we already understood that by the time this episode aired! I know what it was for, but they didn't need it. Nothing would be drastically different without it. Like I said, I liked it, but you didn't need it. The other moments, I get your point, but I still take an issue with them. They didn't come from the characters reacting to the situation around them or growing or something, they just happened. And from a suspension-of-disbelief standpoint, isn't it just a bit weird that all these things are happening at the same time? I get it for some of them. Like, it's a party, and they're alive, and they feel good, and it just happened to coincide with John's parole. But why choose that exact moment to have a Sweetie/Eddie talk, for example? IDK, I still don't consider these character spotlight moments, because they were added for the sake of tying up plots. It's good to tie up plots, of course. But to make those moments the most important moments for certain characters kind of misses the point of having character moments at all. If the character is in a situation where they have nothing to do BUT tie up their relationships then why credit them for doing so? Why not have these moments also be in a scene of some sort of conflict, or from a personal choice in the heat of the moment? Why have it be right at the very end, rather than let us see smaller moments throughout the episode? And I mean, SMALL. Facial expressions, dialogue, small actions, etc. It doesn't need to be exciting, but it needs to be personal. And I guess the final shot was better but I'm bothered by it because of season 3's failure. Or I guess it just makes me feel sad now because of empty promises, even though the scene itself was great. IDK. Blame season 3!

Yeah, agreed... I don't want Patricia to do something someone else CAN'T do, just something someone else WON'T or DOESN'T do. Of course Amber, Alfie and Fabian could do everything Patricia could do, but that doesn't mean they'd do it, and it doesn't mean she has to do everything the others do. I just want to see her being her own person and having some shread of agency. You keep saying that she wasn't as proactive in season 1 but I disagree. Being proactive is not about being independant and solo and super-determined all the time, it's about stepping up to do things even if they're just small things, it's about being aware of what's going on, it's about doing things. Season 1 Patricia did things. She didn't do as many things when she joined Sibuna, but she still did things. She went off with Rufus (a bad idea but nobody said she was smart all the time), she forced the teachers to tell them information, she stayed with Nina and Fabian despite being threatened, she covered for Fabina when they went to Anubis house, she got into contact with Joy on her own, she was the one who came up with the plan to switch the bags with Joy, etc. Patricia was definitely proactive. And one last thing- don't tell me what I want Patricia to be. My favorite Patricia is the one who was in Sibuna season 1, thank you very much, because it showed her as the person she was- loyal, brave and heroic, a truly good person, but still with fire and impulses and independance. I like it more than when she was being, like, angry and confused and crazy all the time, because she was more than that and I don't want to see her go back to that. She was a hero in her own right even when on Sibuna, and that's why I loved her. I don't need her solo, or working on her own mystery, or even being a main character. I just want to see her at her best.

Yeah, I suppose you have a point. But they could have at least had her talk, or focused on her for more than all of five seconds. As scenes go, though, okay, I agree, it did show development. I just think they should have done more with her at the end. Like I said, she could have talked to Joy. She also could have talked to Eddie at all. I mean, it couldn't have been that hard. Timing reasons, I guess. And yeah, Patricia and Eddie DEFINITELY needed to communicate more!