User blog comment:Corbierr/Things about the show that drive you nuts./@comment-5450362-20140311045546/@comment-5450362-20140314035853

Yuh, as we said, writers like to torture her. I mean, Patricia made mistakes, but c'mon, she always did the right thing after all, and writers rarely (if not never) point that out. She rarely gets any glory for her good actions. Maybe the writers don't bother at that point, because Patricia is supposed to be that girl who doesn't care about the spotlight, her friends are her glory. But still, it's not fair. I think therea re also some unlucky characters in the show *e.g...Alfie*, though for me, her case is the worst.

Now, about Joy, the big fail of those writers was not giving her consistance. In S1, she seemed to be a typical brit girl (IMO): girly, kind of sweet-shy and a crusher. In S2, she partially was and not what she seemed to be before. Yes, she was a girly, crusher girl, who despite her gossipy nature and jealousy, she had a serene, and well sometimes sweet temper.

Then, with her closest friends (mostly Mara) we got to see Joy's bossy, ambitious and a bit mean side, though deep down she wanted the best for Mara. At least. With Patricia, though in a subtly way, we saw her broken, raw, selfish, stubborn and sorta agressive side (the feuds). Then, if she was a better friend to...well you know...and if she completely redeemed herself, she would be really likable, because she has/had so many sides to her, in all honesty, Joy is one of the most complex characters in the show, if not the most complex of all. She was just bad written at some *many* points.

Now, S3. In the beggining of that season, she was still her S2 persona, just redeemed *not totally, you know, but whatever* Her bossy nature, her worry about her friend's personal lives, and her spotlight love was there. Both Joy and Mara were themselves in early S3. Why now i'm throwing Mara into this? Now I'll explain. Mara was the same moon-eyed girl who was really happy with her relationship and wated the others to be same as her, which is good. Joy was still the same, with her crush on Fabian. Joy didn't want Mara to be forgiving with Jerome *which in one part was fair, the cheating was terrible and OOC*, she wanted to be independant....but why would Mara follow the advice of a girl who is obsessed with a boy? *after knowing about the rejectment* What surprised me, is that Joy, being smart as she is, asked Fabian on a date just days after he knew about Nina's departure. She kind of burned her dignity there, and she was giving advice to Mara. Whatever, that rejecment made Joy change. In a beggining, gradually...though at the end was too much.

She was still a cunning, manipulative person, yet loyal *to some ppl only*, but she lost traits of hers. Her spotlight love lowered a lot, and most important, she wasn't nothing bossy anymore. if she was bossy while being insecure, how being confident....she would receive orders from Mara? In S2, Joy was dominant over Mara. In S3, mara dominates Joy. I get it, Mara was all angry and bleh....but if Joy was sooo confident, she was able to tell Mara she didn't want to do that. In the play, Mara was just S2 Joy, all bossy and unsympathetic, while Joy was like "Yay! I'm working with Mara in her play". I mean, it's good that Joy stopped kind of bullying Mara, who never stood for herself. In S3, Mara is the harsh one, and Joy never stoods up for herself. Neither of them grew up.

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i partially agree with some part of this article about Joy ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And about Mara, I also can say that if writers tried to make more independent, they did it wrong. I know that because in Tasie's interview from S3, she says that "Mara always depended on boys. Now, it's finally about herself". Right. She became more independent, while doing terrible things and not learning the appropiate lesson. There were other ways to give Mara independence making her more likable, not the opposite. Some things that happened with Mara in TOR, should have happened in S3.

<3 Aw, yes...We started such a trend...<3