Thread:Corbierr/@comment-25576856-20150221010401/@comment-4816103-20150221191048

It's true that it would been too obvious if they foreshadowed it too much. But at the very least they could have mentioned the Osirian before, like just have them be mentioned but not explained, because the whole idea of the Osirian itself was also quite random. (Yes, when I noticed it I was like "OMA THAT'S BRILLIANT")

They all did things of significance! (To be honest, I always sort of assumed that Alfie did think he was dying, at least at first, because IDK how they would have know it would have been Alfie who 'died' and they didn't know about the death ahead of time. But that's beside the point :P) Nina, Fabian, and Joy's contributions should be obvious. Alfie nearly died, like you said, which wasn't huge but did trick Rufus. Patricia didn't do a ton but she was the one who got the message from "Joy" and she was the one who tried to call Joy, plus she was the one who switched her bag with Joy's. Jerome nearly killed Rufus. Amber, okay she didn't do too much, but she did at least get to be involved with Amfie and Fabina at the end. Mick and Mara were useless but at least they were worried about the others and even tried to find them. And yeah, it's good that they did stuff, but it doesn't matter in the long run because if their role could be taken over by another character, it's the plot at work, not the character. Characters should have some level of influance and importance in their actions. The things they do, especially at the end, should be based off their personalities and thoughts. They shouldn't just do things to further the plot, they should do things because it's something their character would actually do!

HOA should definitely be character driven. Plot-driven works tend to have flat, stereotypical, disposable and replacable characters who don't have any real agency in the story. HOA's characters are far more interesting and proactive. It's character-driven, even if the plot is a mystery, because their actions and choices have actual impact on the story rather than just going along with what happens. Is the plot important? Of course. But the characters aren't tools for plot, they're active players and need to be treated like such. Who got twisted? Patricia did in order to work better for Peddie because she didn't really develop at all (I explain more here) and all of her fire and determination and badassery was ignored. Mick was twisted in the finale to justify Jara. Nina was twisted into a bitch for no reason at all. There was Joy, like you said. Even if the twisting was slight, it was still twisting.

OMG YES.